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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://vallery.net/2007/04/05/penn-and-teller-bullshit-wal-mart/comment-page-1/#comment-1004</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-132&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Brett &lt;/a&gt; 
Actually, you&#039;ve described exactly why unions are obsolete these days. Oh, it&#039;s nice when they come to rescue of some poor employees who are on the receiving end of unfair management, but for the most part they do exactly what you said: they make sure unskilled, uneducated laborers get paid top dollar to do monkey work.

I used to have a union job too, and I didn&#039;t complain that I was getting paid WAY more than the work I did was worth, either. Still, as a responsible adult I would never claim that I actually deserved those kinds of wages; I only got them because my union strong-armed my employer until they went bankrupt &amp; had to move their operation to Mexico.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-132" rel="nofollow">@Brett </a><br />
Actually, you&#8217;ve described exactly why unions are obsolete these days. Oh, it&#8217;s nice when they come to rescue of some poor employees who are on the receiving end of unfair management, but for the most part they do exactly what you said: they make sure unskilled, uneducated laborers get paid top dollar to do monkey work.</p>
<p>I used to have a union job too, and I didn&#8217;t complain that I was getting paid WAY more than the work I did was worth, either. Still, as a responsible adult I would never claim that I actually deserved those kinds of wages; I only got them because my union strong-armed my employer until they went bankrupt &amp; had to move their operation to Mexico.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://vallery.net/2007/04/05/penn-and-teller-bullshit-wal-mart/comment-page-1/#comment-1003</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would just LOVE to hear one of these Walmart opponents actually run some numbers on what would happen to local economies if Walmart went under. How exactly would losing hundreds of jobs &amp; having every citizen waste thousands of dollars every year on overpriced goods work out to their financial benefit?

Penn &amp; Teller granted in the episode that Walmart is perfectly capable of doing wrong, and in the past several stores have done some pretty shitty things to their workers. Honestly, though, one of their guests summed it up perfectly - Walmart has done nothing but give the American consumer what they&#039;ve asked for. Through our spending habits, we&#039;ve proven that we value convenience, efficiency, low price and Walmart quality (define that however you like) over the privilege of paying more for high-paid, knowledgeable store employees &amp; the fun of having to travel to a multitude of various mom &amp; pop specialty shops.

Walmart is what America asked for, and we got it.  Now quit your bitching &amp; go enjoy some everyday low prices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just LOVE to hear one of these Walmart opponents actually run some numbers on what would happen to local economies if Walmart went under. How exactly would losing hundreds of jobs &amp; having every citizen waste thousands of dollars every year on overpriced goods work out to their financial benefit?</p>
<p>Penn &amp; Teller granted in the episode that Walmart is perfectly capable of doing wrong, and in the past several stores have done some pretty shitty things to their workers. Honestly, though, one of their guests summed it up perfectly &#8211; Walmart has done nothing but give the American consumer what they&#8217;ve asked for. Through our spending habits, we&#8217;ve proven that we value convenience, efficiency, low price and Walmart quality (define that however you like) over the privilege of paying more for high-paid, knowledgeable store employees &amp; the fun of having to travel to a multitude of various mom &amp; pop specialty shops.</p>
<p>Walmart is what America asked for, and we got it.  Now quit your bitching &amp; go enjoy some everyday low prices.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
		<link>http://vallery.net/2007/04/05/penn-and-teller-bullshit-wal-mart/comment-page-1/#comment-1001</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 03:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your overly-simplistic view of social structure is contemptible. Saying that poor people &quot;loot&quot; from &quot;productive&quot; members of society is ridiculous. Do yourself a favor and try taking a class or two on the way that the social structure itself often works to keep poor people poor. You have such a lack of analytical prowess that it almost seems deliberate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your overly-simplistic view of social structure is contemptible. Saying that poor people &#8220;loot&#8221; from &#8220;productive&#8221; members of society is ridiculous. Do yourself a favor and try taking a class or two on the way that the social structure itself often works to keep poor people poor. You have such a lack of analytical prowess that it almost seems deliberate.</p>
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		<title>By: ed hazer</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed hazer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 16:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walmart is an efficient machine for converting US capital into Chinese wealth, making the Walton family rich in the process.

Free market capitalism assumes the market is really free.  With the Chinese yuan artificially held low by the Bank of China, it is simple for Walmart to pump wealth into China.  If the market were really free the yuan would rise and the pump would reverse direction.  But that isn&#039;t happening, is it?   Why? 

Because we all think we&#039;re getting something free.  Impossibly cheap goods for the US market, huge profits for shareholders and a Chinese government that can afford to subsidize US national debt.  Win-win.... until the pump reaches the bottom and we discover all our wealth has been transferred from the bank accounts of working Americans to Chinese ownership of US bonds.  

Walmart is the engine of our future loss of economic power and independence and ultimately to our enslavement to the rich Chinese government that loves capitalism as long as they don&#039;t have to play by the rules.  

Congrats on building another engine in your town.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walmart is an efficient machine for converting US capital into Chinese wealth, making the Walton family rich in the process.</p>
<p>Free market capitalism assumes the market is really free.  With the Chinese yuan artificially held low by the Bank of China, it is simple for Walmart to pump wealth into China.  If the market were really free the yuan would rise and the pump would reverse direction.  But that isn&#8217;t happening, is it?   Why? </p>
<p>Because we all think we&#8217;re getting something free.  Impossibly cheap goods for the US market, huge profits for shareholders and a Chinese government that can afford to subsidize US national debt.  Win-win&#8230;. until the pump reaches the bottom and we discover all our wealth has been transferred from the bank accounts of working Americans to Chinese ownership of US bonds.  </p>
<p>Walmart is the engine of our future loss of economic power and independence and ultimately to our enslavement to the rich Chinese government that loves capitalism as long as they don&#8217;t have to play by the rules.  </p>
<p>Congrats on building another engine in your town.</p>
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		<title>By: Ayn Rand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ayn Rand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 18:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously OP?  Any article I read where the author admits to having read that shit house of a book called &quot;Atlas Shrugged&quot; and acts like it was a positive thing is an article that I ignore outright.  

I love the comment section though.  Fantastic stuff.  I&#039;ve watched a few Penn and Teller Bullshit episodes and for the most part they&#039;re entertaining but this one just rubs me the wrong way.  They almost seem to intentionally gloss over relevant facts and I find that troubling.  They cite the amount a full time worker in management gets yet fail to mention that the majority of workers at Wal-Mart are not full time, not managers and rarely make anywhere near 10 dollars an hour.  They try and justify the use of sweat shops by saying the alternatives in those countries are worse so that somehow by default makes the sweat shop better.  Yet that reasoning can be applied to other lines of work though.  So why are people outraged by child prostitution in  foreign countries after all if the kid makes more than they would in the sweat shop shouldn&#039;t we be thanking the sexual predators for saving them from poverty?  Free market rocks guys now get out there and rape some kids.

As for the argument that if you don&#039;t like Wal-Mart you should shop somewhere else where exactly would you like people to go?  After all by coming into a small community Wal-Mart drives other companies out of business so where do I shop when they are the only one left?  

Libertarianism is not an excuse to stick your heads up your asses and act like bad things are acceptable as long as they are done in a free market with no interference.  Enjoy the coming depression you&#039;ve all earned it.  By allowing outsourcing of jobs and the weakening of the American industrial infrastructure this country is about to get its ass handed to it on a silver plate.  Sadly that silver plate was purchased from a Wal-Mart and made by kids in China.  

Slow clap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously OP?  Any article I read where the author admits to having read that shit house of a book called &#8220;Atlas Shrugged&#8221; and acts like it was a positive thing is an article that I ignore outright.  </p>
<p>I love the comment section though.  Fantastic stuff.  I&#8217;ve watched a few Penn and Teller Bullshit episodes and for the most part they&#8217;re entertaining but this one just rubs me the wrong way.  They almost seem to intentionally gloss over relevant facts and I find that troubling.  They cite the amount a full time worker in management gets yet fail to mention that the majority of workers at Wal-Mart are not full time, not managers and rarely make anywhere near 10 dollars an hour.  They try and justify the use of sweat shops by saying the alternatives in those countries are worse so that somehow by default makes the sweat shop better.  Yet that reasoning can be applied to other lines of work though.  So why are people outraged by child prostitution in  foreign countries after all if the kid makes more than they would in the sweat shop shouldn&#8217;t we be thanking the sexual predators for saving them from poverty?  Free market rocks guys now get out there and rape some kids.</p>
<p>As for the argument that if you don&#8217;t like Wal-Mart you should shop somewhere else where exactly would you like people to go?  After all by coming into a small community Wal-Mart drives other companies out of business so where do I shop when they are the only one left?  </p>
<p>Libertarianism is not an excuse to stick your heads up your asses and act like bad things are acceptable as long as they are done in a free market with no interference.  Enjoy the coming depression you&#8217;ve all earned it.  By allowing outsourcing of jobs and the weakening of the American industrial infrastructure this country is about to get its ass handed to it on a silver plate.  Sadly that silver plate was purchased from a Wal-Mart and made by kids in China.  </p>
<p>Slow clap.</p>
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		<title>By: Ike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett,

Is your union job in retail? That&#039;s a relevant fact that you&#039;ve excluded. Any retailer that pays its employees $20/hr would be destined for bankruptcy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brett,</p>
<p>Is your union job in retail? That&#8217;s a relevant fact that you&#8217;ve excluded. Any retailer that pays its employees $20/hr would be destined for bankruptcy.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah im not seeing the reasoning for the hate. i agree with the kid if you dont want to support Wal mart dont shop there simple solution. I also want to bring up another little fact here. Wal Mart is a publically traded company that means that everyone in here has the option to purchase stock in it which has a great track record btw. Which means its not just your corporate elite of the great wizards of wal mart who can profit anyone who wishes to purchase the companys stocks can profit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah im not seeing the reasoning for the hate. i agree with the kid if you dont want to support Wal mart dont shop there simple solution. I also want to bring up another little fact here. Wal Mart is a publically traded company that means that everyone in here has the option to purchase stock in it which has a great track record btw. Which means its not just your corporate elite of the great wizards of wal mart who can profit anyone who wishes to purchase the companys stocks can profit</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Durka Durrrr!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Durka Durrrr!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 04:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh and BTW saturday pay is 30.23 per hour and sunday is 40.30 per hour. Thats how a REAL company repays u for working on YOUR weekend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh and BTW saturday pay is 30.23 per hour and sunday is 40.30 per hour. Thats how a REAL company repays u for working on YOUR weekend.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 07:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL Nickie....wow you are a fuckin genius. Hey minimum wage is 5.15 cents in my city. Do you know how much my pay is with no college and no experience at my UNION JOB? 20.15 per hour. Wow shithole town if 7.50 is higher paying huh? OH BTW federal minimum is going up to 7.25 within a year....see how much of a raise wal-mart gives ya. When i worked at Wal-Mart i thought it was sweet....but then you find the numbers....My store out of the 11 in the city....made 130,000,000 out of that PROFIT was 101,000,000. My wage...8.00 per hour. My bonus for &quot;profit sharing&quot; they hand out...0.00. Yeah they didnt have enough to share since we had to remodel the store, that comes out of OUR pockets. Add it up 130 million and 101 after paying 500 employees and buying the product. Avg worker at Wal-mart 10.15 x 40hrs = 406 x 52 wks = 21,112 x  the 480 employees at my store = 10 million roughly.130 mil -10 mil and no money for a bonus? Get a clue dipshit u work 10x harder than i do and i make 3 times the money you do. AINT WAL-MART GREAT!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL Nickie&#8230;.wow you are a fuckin genius. Hey minimum wage is 5.15 cents in my city. Do you know how much my pay is with no college and no experience at my UNION JOB? 20.15 per hour. Wow shithole town if 7.50 is higher paying huh? OH BTW federal minimum is going up to 7.25 within a year&#8230;.see how much of a raise wal-mart gives ya. When i worked at Wal-Mart i thought it was sweet&#8230;.but then you find the numbers&#8230;.My store out of the 11 in the city&#8230;.made 130,000,000 out of that PROFIT was 101,000,000. My wage&#8230;8.00 per hour. My bonus for &#8220;profit sharing&#8221; they hand out&#8230;0.00. Yeah they didnt have enough to share since we had to remodel the store, that comes out of OUR pockets. Add it up 130 million and 101 after paying 500 employees and buying the product. Avg worker at Wal-mart 10.15 x 40hrs = 406 x 52 wks = 21,112 x  the 480 employees at my store = 10 million roughly.130 mil -10 mil and no money for a bonus? Get a clue dipshit u work 10x harder than i do and i make 3 times the money you do. AINT WAL-MART GREAT!!!!!!</p>
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